Trentino Birth Record Index

I had previously written in Trentino Birth Records – An Online Database about the Province of Trentino’s publication of Trentino birth records and the ability to search by name, etc. As we are aware, in 2012 the Latter Day Saints FamilySearch website began publishing another database of Trentino birth records at Italy, Trento, Catholic Church Records containing the same records as those posted by the Province of Trentino. At that point there are only 376,000 entries on FamilySearch’s site. Currently, the number of records are about 554,000 with more to be added in the future. Which one to use is simply a matter of preference.

One thing to consider, is that the two sites should not be the last resource, but only a lead-in to other information contained in village files, which contain much more information. For example, using a search for Giacomo Iob on FamilySearch’s site produces the following:

Italy, Trento, Diocesi di Trento, Catholic Church Records
Name – Giacomo Celeste Iob
Event Type – Baptism
Event Date – 17 Jan 1845
Event Place  -Natività di San Giovanni Battista, Flavon, Trento, Italy
Gender Male
Birth Date – 16 Jan 1845
Father’s Name – Vincenzo Iob
Mother’s Name – Angela Iob
Page 103

(note – it was common for both parents to have the same surname in the small Trentino villages, but were usually of different clans with the bride and groom related 2, 3, or 4 generation in the past).

If we take the information found on FamilySearch and view the microfilmed church records for Flavon, we would find not only the above information, but also the names of the Giacomo Celeste Iob’s paternal and maternal grandparents, and whether or not the grandparents were still living at the date of his birth. This is especially useful in researching maternal lines since women in Italy retain their maiden names for most purposes. You will usually also see listed the parents’ occupations.

If you take a look at the listing of posts in this site (link is in the header above), you will see other references to using microfilmed records. Unfortunately most the microfilm images for the Trentino villages have not been uploaded, so the only way to see the actual images will be to view the microfilms at your local Family History Center. A limited number of microfilm images have been uploaded to FamilySearch’s site, but here again, those images must be viewed at the local Family History Center.

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12 Responses to Trentino Birth Record Index

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  2. Gion Job says:

    Dear All,

    During my Internet esearch regarding the origin of the Name JOB or IOB of Trentino I find several comments that the Name is from jewish origin. Finaly I read a well founded study in Italian from a reseacher originating from Val di Non saying following:

    – likely 2000 years ago the familiy Job / Iob and other families were jewish families living somewhere in Iran

    – These families likely moved toghether to Europe and entered in the Val di Non. This valley has several familiy names with jewish background. Further the names of several mountains and rivers have a jewish origin. Some hunderts years ago (maybe bewteen 1200 – 1450 after Christus they had to change their religion and they started to have also Christian first names.

    – this article is easy to find by searching in Google (jews in val di non / Trentino)

    My Family members back to 1500 after Christus had always Christian first names.

    Kind regards
    Gion

  3. jackrecla says:

    January 8, 2016

    Hello,

    My name is Jack Recla and I am trying to find information on my Great Grand Father from Ronzone, Italy and his parents, Vicenzo Recla (Grandfather), Giacomo Recla and Maria Tecini his parents.

    I have attached a copy of a page from the baptism records for Gaspare Giuseppe Recla (Oct 2, 1889 – my grandfather and their son), I have looked at microfilm #1388683 From Family Health Search to find this information.(Italy, Trento, Diocesi Di Trento, Catholic Church records, 1548-1937.

    The record shows that Vicenzo Recla is his father and Giacomo Recla and Maria Tecini are Gaspare Giuseppe Recla grand parents from Ronzone

    I cannot find the birth date or date of death for Vicenzo Recla, Giacomo Recla or Maria Tecini. Is there somewhere else I might find this information?

    Your help would be appreciated,

    Jack R Recla

    • Hi Jack,
      I did a quick search for your grandfather on the Nati in Trentino website, and you have your great-grandmother’s name wrong. Here is the correct information:

      GASPARE GIUSEPPE
      Last name/Family name: RECLA
      Gender: M
      Father’s name: VICENZO
      Mother’s name: ROSA
      Mother’s family name: RIZZI
      Year of birth: 2/10/1889
      Parish: RONZONE – Immacolata

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      If you have been using information from an LDS transcription, this could be the cause of the error. In my opinion, the job of transcribing these records really should only be done by people who know the parishes intimately.

      Now, as far as tracking down your great-grandparents, you COULD try Nati in Trentino (https://secure.natitrentino.mondotrentino.net), but there are many limitations to this, which are too long to explain here. The best way to get the RIGHT people is to find all the SIBLINGS of Gaspare, so you can get an idea of the approximate time of marriage of Vicenzo and Rosa. Then, you might be able to guess their approximate year of birth within a few years. Also, if you see certain names amongst their children, it’s a pretty good guess that some of those names are the names of Vicenzo’s and Rosa’s parents.

      The best route, of course, is to work directly with the images of the parish records (either the microfilms or the files in Trento…which is where I’m writing from right now), albeit it takes a lot of work to understand how to use the original documents.

      Best of luck,
      Lynn

      • P.S.: NOTE that the dates on the Nati in Trentino site are in EUROPEAN format, where the day comes BEFORE the month. In other words, 2/10/1889 means October 2nd, 1889.

      • Ok…you got me curious, so I did some digging. Here are your grandfather and his siblings:
        Candida Augusta (F) – 14/4/1884
        Lorenzo Vincenzo (M) – 18/5/1886
        Virgina Antonietta (F) – 19/2/1888
        Gaspare Giuseppe (M) – 2/10/1889

        I checked in the 1870s and 1890s and there are no more children. It is very unusual only to see four children during this time period. Thus, the most likely scenarios is that either Rosa died, or this was a 2nd marriage for Vicenzo (sometimes spelled Vincenzo), which means he was possibly a bit older than you might expect. I did a search for Vincenzo (Vicenzo came up with nothing), and there are a couple of possibilities. However…and i really HAVE to stress this…without seeing the marriage registration (probably about 1883), there is absolutely no way to know which Vicenzo is the correct one. So, you will have to get hold of the parish records.

    • Sorry, Jack, I realise I said you got your grandmother’s name wrong, but you didn’t actually provide that. However, I’ve looked all over the Nati Trentino site, and I don’t see your great-grandfather anywhere (there is a Vincenzo, but the parents are completely different). Have you considered that they might be from the archdiocese of Bolzano instead of Trento?

  4. P.S.: So far I have only identified one very old branch of my family from Val di Non. The surname from there is Zanetti, but my 9x great-grandfather (Gaspare Zanetti, born 1581) moved to the Giudicarie around 1614 when he married a woman from there.

  5. Buon Capodanno! Glad to see you blogging again.

    Yes, I agree with Allen that the names of padrini are certainly informative. Sometimes it’s the best way to cross check death records, too. If someone is alive at the time of being a godparent, they obviously cannot be the person mention in the death record the previous year!

    Many of the later (latter part of the 19th century) records will also have handwritten notes in the margins of baptismal records with marriage dates/names and death dates.

    Actually, there’s a WEALTH of information if you work with the the original films. I’m actually going to Trento next week to spend 3 solid weeks researching on the digital images of the films that are viewable at the archdiocese of Trento. I worked with them last year, and found it so much more efficient than working with microfilm.

    I’m currently on a mission to map out as much as I can of the parish of Santa Croce del Bleggio in the Giudicarie. I want to catalogue all the names, and place them on a tree in relationship to one another. I have over 3,500 people identified so far, all placed on a family tree. The vast majority are from Bleggio parish, but there are also many from Vigo Lomaso, Ragoli, Dro, Arco, Tenno and places as far as Castelfondo in Val di Non. Ultimately, I want to create a database that has much more information than any of the currently available research, and actually shows connections between families and family groups. I know at least one other Trentini genealogist doing this. I think we could all benefit from collaborating and pooling our research. After working with the records for a few years now, it’s my theory we Trentini are ALL related at one level or another.

    One thing about the Family Search project, while I applaud them immensely, when I offered to work specifically on Bleggio for them, they wouldn’t allow me. The thing is, unless you have been working extensively with specific records, there is no way the average person is going to understand the village names (and all the abbreviations and dialect variants of them), the countless variations on the surnames, the abbreviations for different first names, etc. Also, sometimes records do not HAVE certain information (a father’s father might be missing, for example); however, if you have been working closely with the file, you KNOW who the father is from the context of other information you have. For these reasons, I greatly fear there will be many errors in the transcripts, primarily because they are not allowing people who already have DONE these transcriptions to work on them and contribute their research to their project.

    I also don’t care for their policy of retaining Latin spellings, even though they would not ever be spelled this way outside of the church, but perhaps some others might disagree with me on that.

    Anyway…sorry to go on so much! I work with these records (on microfilm) nearly every day, and I guess I feel kind of possessive of when I see people working on them who may not have the cultural familiarty that is required to do these records properly. I mean, recently I started working with the Campo (Vigo Lomaso) records, and even though it’s just ‘up the street’ from Bleggio, it still took me some time to acclimate myself to the cataloguing style, local names, villages, family lines, etc.

    • Lynn,
      Thank you for your comment and the info. I too (as has Allen) have transcribed thousands of entries (mine are births, deaths, marriages mostly from Val do Non villages of Cunevo and Flavon) and placed them into one large tree database. I have also used quite a bit of the info gathered from the films, online repositories to write a family narrative.

      I too use the birth records to find marriage and death records for parents and grandparents of the newborn. From there it has been quite easy to go back and forth between the records to find siblings, cousins, and additional generations. I can’t emphasize enough that cross-checking between the different types of databases is crucial. At times I have also found notations of emigrants to the US and elsewhere and children born in the US listed in Trentino records; notations of men killed in World War I, etc.

      • Sal,
        Isn’t it amazing how passionate Trentini are about their roots? Yes, I’ve also seen notations in the margins (or even additional comments) in the records. During WW1, for instance, G.B. Lenzi (who was the parish priest in Santa Croce at the time, and close colleague of Don Guetti on the cooperative movement) was a brilliant historian as well as record keeper. He kept records of marriages and births of those who had emigrated to the US. He also made comments about the war, and expressed his hope (in 1915) that it would end soon. One day when I was reading the records for 1915, a chill went up my spine as he even recounted a fire that broke out — in my great-grandparents’ house! (the same house in which my dad was born a few years later). These records hold priceless treasures to the past.

        Yes, over the next year/two years I will also be putting together a narrative. Data is great, but stories are what communicate the essence of our people. We are, above all, a story-telling culture.

        I’d love to connect with you (and any other avid researchers) on Skype some day and see if/how we can collaborate. I’m going to be 61 this month, and the clock is ticking to leave a legacy for my grandchildren, as well as all Trentini descendants, so they know this wonderful component of who they are.

  6. allenrizzi says:

    Great post with nice distinctions! On the actual microfilmed church records, you can usually also find the names of god parents (padrini) which is also helpful in constructing family relationships. Complementi.

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